Lucifer a Son of the Morning
There is a lot of misunderstandings concerning who Lucifer was, is, and what his final state will be.
References Concerning Lucifer/Satan:
References of Interest:
1 Peter 5:8
Math 8:28-33 - Possession and the possesion of animals.
2 Cor. 3:15.
2 Cor 3:4
He granted to men supernatural powers, he filled their minds with evil inclinations, he took posses- sion of their living bodies, produced madness, (Mark, v. 2), and (Matt. xvii. 15) inflicted disease, as in the case of the infirm woman, whom Satan had bound eighteen years (Luke, xiii. 16). Nay, so general does the evil power of Satan appear, and so various are the evils and diseases, mental and bodily, which are attributed to him, that it becomes a question how far we may be justified in supposing that all disease is, by God's permission, the direct infliction of Satan.
wweif Scripture assert nothing of the kind, are we not at liberty to say that, first, it is an in- credible thing a pure and good angel should spontaneously fall ; secondly, that falling he should be placed in a position of terrible power in reference to the rest of God's creation, with legions of evil angels to do his bidding ; thirdly, that it should be necessary, in order to counteract the wickedness of an apostate servant, that God Himself in the person of His Son should become man, and die upon the cross, and even thus recover but a small portion of the human race, — even thus leave the greater part of mankind the victims and subjects of Satan? Does not even the mysterious sacrifice of Christ become more intelligible if we look upon Satan as an independent power, an evil spirit existent from eternity, existent when the earth was chaos and confiisian, and darkness was upon the face of the deep
Is Satan the ultimate narcissist, psychopath and sociopath who is self delusional, or does he know he's lying? In other words does he buy his own product? If so, does he therefore believe God is the liar between the two of them? Or does he know what's true and refuse to admit it (for now)? His question to Eve, "Did God really say not to eat any of the fruit of the garden?" appears to be an intentional insinuation against God that he knew was untrue. But does his knowledge matter if he believes lying is justified? He is the father of lies (antichrist) as parralel to Gid the Father as the father of Truth (Christ). Interesting, no? And in Recelation he knows his time is short. Also if the powers had known what they were doing when they crucified Jesus, they would not have done it. Do they know they are are defeated then or are they continuing in their self delusion thinking they can win? These are a few connected thoughts tying back to the original thought... is their leader, former Cherub, Lucifer completely self delusional or is he self aware of his condition and ultimate end and just throwing a tantrum? Also, can his heart know he is wrong while his head refuses to believe like many of us as humans, or in his case is it tee total? Sorry, long way of asking but it's a question that's... tricksy.
I was recently reading in Matthew 8: 28-33 where Jesus casts demons out of two men and sends them into a herd of pigs. I thought it was interesting in verse 29 where one of the demons asks if Jesus is going to torture them before God’s appointed time. There are other verses in the Bible that show that demons know how powerful God is and are seemingly aware of their end / ultimate demise. A few thoughts and questions: Since demons were once angels, they have seen God in action and should be more aware than us humans as to the power of God. However, it seems odd to me that angels would turn from God having actually seen the power of God and it also seems strange that demons seem to know they will lose in the end yet still end up choosing to follow satan. If God wins in the end, what’s the point of demons, satan, etc. engaging in a war that they will ultimately lose. What’s the point of spiritual warfare as a demon if you will lose in then end?
In ancient times the idea of a morning star is a bright star that outshines others. Venus being a rising star in the morning - shining first out of the darkness and leading into the light. So also with the idea of a son of the morning an individual leading others to the light.
The word Lucifer is a Latin word meaning shining one.
The word Satan - is made of a compound of two words.
Sata - Jewish and Syrian tongue means apostate
Nas - The serpent
Satanas - The Devil
"he was no longer a being of light and became known as Satan"
The stars of God refer to the Sons of God.
9 from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to , and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou from , O , son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the !
13 For thou hast said in thine , will ascend into heaven, I will my above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the :
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to , to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see shall , and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in , every one in .
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like , and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the of shall never be renowned.
If Satan is just a man then how can "Then entered Satan into Judas " (Luke 22:3) ? does man enter man? What does that look like, this needs LDS explanation.
What does the devil look like, how long has he been considered that way etc.
Salvation for the dead:
Salvation for the Dead not a new idea:
If the incarnation liberated humanity from the effects of original sin, what about those who lived before Christ? Christ must have led out of the kingdom of death those who had lived just lives before his birth. By the fitth centruy this idea was fixed by patristic commentaries, homiletic literature, and the liturgy of Holy Saturday. The fathers were unsure on one important point, however. They did not know whether all the just, or only the righteous Hebrews, were saved. One's answer confirmed to one's attitudes toward pagan culture in general and Greek philosophy in particular. Was Plat saved as well as Abraham? It was agreed that only those united in faith with the Messiah could be saved. This clearly included the Hebrew patriarchs and all the Hebrews loyal to the covenant.
Some fathers extended the effects of salvation beyond the Hebrews. Origen, Cyril of Alexandria, Augustine, and Gregory Nazianzenus argued that when Christ descended among the dead he preached to the pagans and converted those who had led good lives according to conscience. (Lucifer the Devil in the Middle Ages - Russell, Jeffrey Burton - 1984)
2. It was for this reason, too, that the Lord descended into the regions beneath the earth, preaching His advent there also, and [declaring] the remission of sins received by those who believe in Him. 1 Peter 3:19-20. Now all those believed in Him who had hope towards Him, that is, those who proclaimed His advent, and submitted to His dispensations, the righteous men, the prophets, and the patriarchs, to whom He remitted sins in the same way as He did to us, which sins we should not lay to their charge, if we would not despise the grace of God. For as these men did not impute unto us (the Gentiles) our transgressions, which we wrought before Christ was manifested among us, so also it is not right that we should lay blame upon those who sinned before Christ's coming.
11. He was truly laid as Man in a tomb of rock; but rocks were rent asunder by terror because of Him. He went down into the regions beneath the earth, that thence also He might redeem the righteous685. For, tell me, couldst thou wish the living only to enjoy His grace, and that, though most of them are unholy; and not wish those who from Adam had for a long while been imprisoned to have now gained their liberty? Esaias the Prophet proclaimed with loud voice so many things concerning Him; wouldst thou not wish that the King should go down and redeem His herald? David was there, and Samuel, and all the Prophets686, John himself also, who by his messengers said, Art thou He that should come, or look we for another687? Wouldst thou not wish that He should descend and redeem such as these?
18. At this point of our discourse, let us consider whether is harder, for a man after having been buried to rise again from the earth, or for a man in the belly of a whale, having come into the great heat of a living creature, to escape corruption. For what man knows not, that the heat of the belly is so great, that even bones which have been swallowed moulder away? How then did Jonas, who was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, escape corruption? And, seeing that the nature of all men is such that we cannot live without breathing, as we do, in air, how did he live without a breath of this air for three days? But the Jews make answer and say, The power of God descended with Jonas when he was tossed about in hell. Does then the Lord grant life to His own servant, by sending His power with him, and can He not grant it to Himself as well? If that is credible, this is credible also; if this is incredible, that also is incredible. For to me both are alike worthy of credence. I believe that Jonas was preserved, for all things are possible with God Matthew 19:26; I believe that Christ also was raised from the dead; for I have many testimonies of this, both from the Divine Scriptures, and from the operative power even at this day of Him who arose — who descended into hell alone, but ascended thence with a great company; for He went down to death, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose Matthew 27:52 through Him.